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42-30454

B-17 Flying Fortress

Delivered Cheyenne 3/6/43; Smoky Hill 14/6/43; Rapid City 19/6/43; Geiger 22/6/43; Smoky Hill 23/6/43; Dow Fd 5/7/43; Assigned 333BS/94BG [TS-B] Rougham 7/7/43; Missing in Action Emden 9/27/43 with Pilot: John Thalman (Killed in Action); Co-pilot: Wendell Morris, Navigator: John Lilly, Bombardier: John White, Flight engineer/top turret gunner: Fred Belcher, Radio Operator: Lester Exelberth, Ball turret gunner: Jim Harling, left waist gunner: Bill Gray, right waist gunner: Clarence "Bill" Carter, Tail gunner: Ed Schaler (9 Prisoner of War); enemy aircraft, ditched North Sea, about ten miles NW of Emden, Ger; Missing Air Crew Report 733.

Service

Units

  • 94th Bomb Group

    94th Bomb Group

    Group
    Activated 15 June 1942 at MacDill Field, Florida. Initial organization and training at Pendleton Field, Oregon on 29 June 1942. Primary flight training at Davis-Monthan Field in Arizona from 28 Aug. 42 to 31 Oct. 42; then at Biggs Field, El Paso, Texas...

  • 333rd Bomb Squadron

    333rd Bomb Squadron

    Squadron
    Part of 94th Bomb Group.

People

  • Fred Belcher

    Military | Technical Sergeant | Top Turret Gunner | 94th Bomb Group
    Shot down 27 September 1943 in B-17 #4230454 'Reluctant Dragon. ' Prisoner of War (POW). POW

  • Clarence Carter

    Military | Staff Sergeant | Right Waist Gunner, Waist Gunner | 94th Bomb Group
    Shot down 27 September 1943 in B-17 #4230454 'Reluctant Dragon. ' Prisoner of War (POW) Stalag XVIIB, Barracks Chief 37B, Group Leader, during forced march from Krems to Braunau, Austria 1945. Liberated by reconnaissance units of U.S. Army's 13th...

  • Lester Exelberth

    Military | Technical Sergeant | Radio Operator | 94th Bomb Group
    Shot down 27 September 1943 in B-17 #42-30454 'Reluctant Dragon', Prisoner of War (POW). POW

  • Wilbur Gray

    Military | Sergeant | Left Waist Gunner | 94th Bomb Group

  • James Harling

    Military | Staff Sergeant | Ball Turret Gunner | 94th Bomb Group
    Shot down 27 September 1943 in B-17 #4230454 'Reluctant Dragon. ' Prisoner of War (POW). POW

  • John Lilly

    Military | Second Lieutenant | Navigator | 94th Bomb Group
    Shot down 27 September 1943 in B-17 #4230454 'Reluctant Dragon. ' Prisoner of War (POW).

  • Wendell Morris

    Military | Flight Officer | Co-Pilot | 94th Bomb Group
    Shot down 27 September 1943 in B-17 #4230454 'Reluctant Dragon. ' Prisoner of War (POW). POW

  • Edward Schaler

    Military | Staff Sergeant | Tail Gunner | 94th Bomb Group
    Shot down 27 September 1943 in B-17 #4230454 'Reluctant Dragon. ' Prisoner of War (POW). POW

  • John Thalmann

    Military | First Lieutenant | Pilot | 94th Bomb Group
    Shot down 27 September 1943 in B-17 #4230454 'Reluctant Dragon. ' Killed in Action (KIA). John Thalman often flew the Thunderbird Aircraft, He flew it the day before his last mission in 42-30454

  • John White

    Military | Second Lieutenant | Bombardier | 94th Bomb Group
    Shot down 27 September 1943 in B-17 #4230454 'Reluctant Dragon. ' Prisoner of War (POW). POW

Missions

  • VIII Bomber Command 104

    27 September 1943
    The industrial areas of Emden, Germany are the targets for this two-element mission. The first element is a combined force of 141 B-17s despatched from 3rd Bomb Division and include the 94BG (19); 95BG (22); 96BG (21); 100BG (20); 385BG (18); 399BG (20...

Places

  • Bury St Edmunds

    Military site : airfield
    The airfield was purpose-built for American bomb groups and as such had a 2,000 yard main runway that lain in concrete with a tarred and wood-chipped surface. The scale of bases such as this meant that very often the technical, administrative and...

Events

Event Location Date
Failed to Return (FTR) Manslagt, Germany 27 September 1943

Revisions

Date Contributor Update
15 June 2019 23:28:06 dlilly Changes to nicknames, description and mission associations
Sources

David Lilly ( Son of John Lilly)

Date Contributor Update
27 May 2019 20:25:34 dlilly Changes to description
Sources

corrected Missing in action date, referencing air force missing AC report document

Date Contributor Update
02 April 2017 01:14:00 Starlifter141 Changes to description
Sources

Nick Carter April 1, 2017

Date Contributor Update
27 September 2014 18:40:29 AAM AAM ingest
Sources

Dave Osborne, B-17 Fortress Master Log / MACR 733 / Paul Andrews, Project Bits and Pieces, 8th Air Force Roll of Honor database

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